Lisa Fields: Hello. Welcome to the Jude three Project podcast. I’m your host, Lisa Fields. I’m the founder of the Jude three Project. Thank you for watching another episode of the Jude three Project podcast. As always, I’m your host, Lisa Fields, the founder of the Jude three Project. And today, we’re joined by someone who’s no stranger to the Jude three Project, Stan Williams, or should I say pastor Stan Williams? Stan is fine, really. For for y’all who don’t know, Stan was actually responsible for our logo. So, it’s it’s you can see it a little bit in the back,
Pastor Stan Williams: but he was the one who designed our logo. He was our, graphic designer for a long time and helped us tremendously, and so I’m thankful to have you Oh, I love it. With us. Well, I love let me tell you. What what was we were so young. Right? It doesn’t feel like it was that long ago, but it has been some time. But I loved you three. I’m so excited to be here to show you a new product that we’ve, developed. But, seriously, love
Lisa Fields: working with you, still look at you guys and follow you guys and support you guys. Just love to see what victory has become. So Yeah. So, Stan, for those who don’t know who you are, just tell them a little bit about who you are before we get into the product you launched. Okay. So
Pastor Stan Williams: I am a, you know, a PK, pastor’s kid. I’m I’m a a strategist for teen spiritual formation, though. That’s what I’m, been labeled as as through this product launch. But I’ve been working with teenagers for a long time, at least a decade. And I also, I was, you know, I went to school for youth ministry, and I didn’t know what would become of it as I, got older. Now I’m like, oh, wow. God has really gave me something that really impacts teenagers today. So that’s what I’m doing now. I’m a pastor, and, I’m just trying to make products that helps teenagers get to know God better. So Yeah.
Lisa Fields: And your passion for helping the next generation is a part of that is helping them be more engaged with scripture. Absolutely. So tell,
Pastor Stan Williams: our audience a little bit about your new product. Yeah. So the product is named Bibles, b I b l e z. And Bibles is a habit forming, gamified, platform for spiritual engagement for teenagers and for students. And, it was created in order to address a huge pain point, which is, what happens after the camp? What happens after the conference? What happens after school? How do we track and motivate teenagers with scripture reading and, familiarizing themselves with the word of God? And so that is a pain point that has been, you know, for such a long time. I tell you, we I I did a a year at Princeton last year or two years ago, and they gathered about 22 youth leaders and youth thinkers and youth strategists from around America. And we did a year of trying to solve the biggest issues of teenagers and what they’re dealing with, what they’re going through. And what I discovered and and there was a lot of discoveries in that, but what one of the biggest discoveries that I discovered with teenagers is that teenagers are not economically, empowered. They they’re they don’t have any money. You know? And and it and it was, oh, well, yeah. We don’t really think about that. Economic empowerment is so important for human thriving and living in this century. And so, they they’re not. And so I tried to create a product that engages them and meets them where they are, that feels like TikTok, and feels like a platform that is native to them already, and include some gamification with leaderboards and able to, challenge each other with scripture reading and memory and games on there. But, also, there’s a section in there where as you read, as you play the games, as you do the devotionals, as you do the reading plans, whatever you do on the app, you’re earning something called Zcoin. And, you know, Bibles, z, Gen z, it’s like the Gen z Bible. There we discovered there’s not a lot of teenage bibles in the App Store, if any, besides this one right now. Mhmm. And so to me, I’m like, in a teenage life, the devil uses that moment to attack the fiercest, and there’s nothing there for them to hold on to the graph, to go to and ask questions. And so anyway, this, z coin that they earn from engaging with the app, they can spend it in something called the z store. Now the z store has real life rewards and gifts that they can actually use to, buy Chick fil A, Roblox, Roblox, I think. Yeah. Xbox, Playstations, StockX, Abercrombie, Lululemon, the things that teens like, and they earned that simply from engaging with the word of God. That’s it in a nutshell.
Lisa Fields: That’s that’s awesome because I feel like, you know, kids spend most of their time on their phone playing the game. Yeah. And gamifying bible reading, I think is a a wonderful idea because it helps them do something that they already like to do, but gives it a twist to it. That’s what we’ve seen. We also saw that taking
Pastor Stan Williams: the, phone away is not always the best way to get students and teenagers in the word of God. And I know it seems counterproductive, but it it is interesting. What we saw is that if you take the phone and you don’t remove the distraction, but use the distraction to I like to say, we took dopamine and made it discipleship. These kids are really getting I had a kid walk up to me because I’m still I’m a bible teacher. And I had a high school walk up to me. He said, I was up to three in the morning reading the bible last night. He said, so bear with me. I’m a little tired. I was like, really? And he was like, on the app, is there it has, addictive nature to it, the what we’ve created on there because you’re tracking yourself. You’re seeing how much you’re gaining. You’re seeing these leaderboards. You know, you see your friend on there who you have class with, and you’re just trying to read one more chapter than him. Like, but it it really is an interesting concept. I had another young lady that came up to me, and she said, I bought some shoes. I was like, okay. And she said, so she said, so I can say God bought these for me. I I said, you really could. I said, you can. God by God provided for you because you literally would not have been able to buy the shoes without reading the bible. And she was just like, they’re having these moments of the in class because I you know, when I was developing this, I my teenagers at my school, we were, you know, we’re working with this ourselves. I was like, is this cool? Is this not and they would tell me, no. Plea oh, don’t. No. Don’t do that. We do this. Don’t you know, and they were really helping me develop this. So, your the teenager is going to like it. You know? The student is really gonna like it. And what we’ve seen is kind of a bottom up. If we get the teenagers on the app, they ask their parents to get the parents because everything with the app is bibles. Right? So it’s students with a z, parents with a z, schools with a z, was it churches with a z, and conferences with a z. And the so all those accounts, they’re they’re they’re asking their churches, hey. Could you get this for us so that we can have access to these the full you know? So it’s really interesting that they like it, and that’s very important that teenagers like it. It’s not something that their parents are saying. You need to get this. This is gonna help you read the bible more. No. The teenager has to feel empowered to, they have to feel like it’s theirs. And so that’s where we’ve come from, and that’s there’s so much I could talk about this all day, but, yeah, there’s so many points of engagement where,
Lisa Fields: they’re building these habits. Yeah. As you’re talking, I was thinking about in school when I was younger, there was this the book, the push to read books was you had to track your books. And then the end of the year, you would get a personal paying piece. Absolutely. Oh, yeah. So over the summer. Incentive. Yeah. It was an incentivizing of book reading Right. For elementary. It was Jacksonville
Pastor Stan Williams: wide. Wow. Okay. And,
Lisa Fields: in See. I think middle school or high school. I don’t know. But everybody was like if you read a certain amount of books you get a free personal pay and pizza and it’s like come on you just needed that little incentive and it and it and it’s like we’re reading books for a first now that as an adult you’re thinking why was I reading 10
Pastor Stan Williams: books for a personal thing? About that. I’ll tell you. We think that way because we are economically empowered. We can just go buy it. Uh-huh. See, they are not. So their incentives are like, that man, if I could do this, can’t really get a real job. Yeah. I can’t really you know, but if I can do this and the this that I’m doing is reading the word of God and engaging with the word of God. I can earn something that I can actually, you know, have in my real life. You know? I I think that’s something
Lisa Fields: there’s something there. Yeah. And outside of the the paid version, there’s a free version that young people still like because it’s, like, keeping track Oh, absolutely.
Pastor Stan Williams: Yeah. They all started with the free version. Now the free version, you can read the bible, track yourself, do the devotion. Do you could do everything on the app. It’s just that the tier two and tier three with the really expensive gift cards and stuff, that just takes somebody a parent. And with the parents’ accounts see, the parents’ accounts has a feature where they can give the kid allowances once they’ve reached the mark that they wanted. So they say you need to read 15 chapters this week, and if you do that, you can unlock your allowance. Or they can do these different milestones, and the parent can also see, engagement. You if you if there’s no visibility, there’s no accountability. You know? If I don’t see what my child is reading and, their interest, we see this is really groundbreaking. The app for a successful app, about five to ten minutes of a session time is actually really successful because you pull them from the juggernauts out of the app world, which is Instagram, TikTok. You pull them from that and have their attention for ten minutes. We’ve seen our highest recently has been forty minutes a session on the app. So that means the kid average wise, the children are on the app for forty minutes. That’s forty minutes away from TikTok. Forty minutes away from Instagram. And we’re not taking them out of their world. They’re still on their phone, but we’re using the phone to disciple them, rather than, take, you know, take their time and reward their time rather than just taking their time. Yeah. For everybody’s like, this sounds good. How does it work? So Walk us through how it works. Yeah. So the bible is at so as you so you open the app up, and it’s gonna walk you through an onboarding, system where it’s gonna ask your interest. What are you trying to grow in? You know, how much do you wanna read a year? Whatever. Right? And just getting to know you. Once you download the app and do that onboarding, you’re exposed to your for you page. It’s a for you page just like TikTok, Instagram. You can see what your friends are doing. You can see what your track, what you’re doing. And then we have this button on there that’s called, find your purpose. See, the app is for teenagers. So you click that if you click that button, you’ll do like this. It’s a swipe test or swipe quiz where you’re just simply swiping through yes or no’s of different, how do you say, different ways of doing things in life. And then at the end of that, it’s like a little quiz that tells you, hey. You’re probably an entrepreneur. You’re probably an artist. So you need to look at doing this or that. And it also gives you all the chapters in the Bible that speak on that point. And you’re already making your own personal profile with the bible saying that, okay. If I read these chapters, you should, you know, start with those chapters as you read to earn, but you’re starting with those and you’re actually building a profile then. And you can you know, from there on, it’s their world. You’ll see it. Once you’ve read it, the coins will go flying into your wallet, and you’ll go to your wallet, and you’ll see that it’s there. Yeah. So
Lisa Fields: What what are you hearing from students as far as them being transformed by the region, not just being
Pastor Stan Williams: incentivized. Yeah. Absolutely. So I’ll tell you, there was one we have a, actually, a a rating in the App Store, and it said that I really wasn’t reading my bible, but I felt bad about it. I just didn’t know where to start. And so when we see that statement, and he said, Bibles has helped me have a consistent daily reading with the word of God. But what we see with that statement is a lot of students want to do the right thing. They want to read their bible. They just don’t have the structure to do it. And, it’s it’s foreign to them because it’s an ancient text. It’s seen in a you know? And, gosh, in their world, you know, there are things that are being promoted that it is, you know, it’s it’s old and it it’s not relevant anymore. Well, it’s on their phone, so it is very relevant. You know? I mean, so as they’re, combating those ideas, you’ve got to give them a structure so that they can develop good habits. Holy habits are so important. At a young age, if you develop holy habits, you’ll live a more holy life as you get older because you’re you you have habits that please god. And so I’ve seen that. I’ve also seen just of again, the kids coming up to me saying, I did not read my bible. I asked my show of hands in my class, which is my the lecture, class. It’s about 30 students in there. And I said, who in here has a bible reading app that they use on their phone? They were like, two people, two kids. And I’m like, that’s crazy. And they were like and the one they have, of course, is the the YouVersion, which thank god god bless them. Thank god for them. And but they didn’t feel like it was theirs. You know, like, just feels like it was made for my parents. You know? And that’s cool, but they’re just like, no nothing in it that motivates them. Children and students need motivation. They need guidance. It’s not something that you can put out in front of them and say this is very valuable for you, and I’ll tell you why it’s valuable. They need yes. It’s valuable for me. Thank you for telling me why it’s valuable. Now show me how to do it. And so when they onboard on Bibles, it’s putting them in a path. You know? And we’ve seen goodness. I could literally pull up the session right now and see, some that’s just of and of what kids are saying and what kids are doing. So if I go here to the analytics now, which is incredible to be able to see this stuff in real time. So the 52 sessions right now, there are, gosh, 50 streaks, meaning 50 kids have not missed a day since they’ve download the app. K. I mean, that is so, so good. Like, I I and I was talking to youth pastors everywhere about, the question to ask them is how are you tracking and motivating students to read the word of God? And most of they’re like, hey. You know, we tell them to do it and tell them how important it is for your life. And but there’s not a platform that is tracking this and showing you their interest in the word of God and, just the life of a student in the digital world with their spirituality.
Lisa Fields: What passages are you seeing them gravitate towards?
Pastor Stan Williams: So, it looks like and I actually have a tab for that. I’m glad you asked. Most read books of Psalms, most read book over 600 times. Genesis, 450 times. Proverbs, 300 times. Job, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Matthew, Jeremiah, and Mark. Those are the most read. Mhmm. Most read in street distribution, one to three days for most of them, you you know, as a whole. So they’re devouring the book of Psalms and Yeah. That that tracks. Mhmm. Right? Yeah.
Lisa Fields: What do you hope how do you hope this will be integrated into different, Christian populations? So you have schools. Yes. You have parents. You have students. Yeah. Yeah. Churches. Conferences. Camps.
Pastor Stan Williams: So we would like it to be the go to, engagement app for students, period. We really would. It’s it’s designed that way with students in mind first, and we would like it to be something that they use in order to help assist their conference as well. There’s a conference we’re speaking to right now that are going to create some bible plans just for the conference and give out their own incentives of during the conference. So it’s another tool that really keeps the person engaged longer than the week that you’re gonna have them for or the month or two for camps that you’re gonna have them for. And you also have this relationship that will help the conference and the camp stay in touch with the person. You can see what your campers are growing up to be, and it’s completely free for teenagers. You’ll, once you turn 19, switch it over. Now what I really like is my teenagers, they said, so instead of us having to fake our age to get into Instagram and things like that, because yet, you know, they they said we have to tell the truth about our age. If we do that, it locks them out of the account. You gotta pay. So it you know, they’re like, wow. So even from there, it’s it’s it is helping them develop holy habits. Like, let’s not lie about our age. Right? Let’s be honest about it, but your honesty is rewarded in this platform. Mhmm. Yeah. No. That’s good. That’s good. So we’d like to see conferences and camps and schools, use it as now for schools, we have a whole different dashboard and platform for the teacher as well as the school administrator to onboard their students and to get them earning. Now here’s what’s interesting. In our, in our class, there’s a feature on the Bibles app where the teacher can do a live host game. And so the kids can, get on their laptops, go to their profiles on Bibles, and it opens up their profile and then put the code in for that the teacher has displayed and play one of the six, Bible trivia games we have on there. And you’ll see them pop up just like if you I don’t know if you know this, but there’s whoever’s listening to this, they’ll know if they’re an educator or something called Kahoot. And, it’s a live game. And so you’ll see their avatars pop up with their names, and everyone sees it displayed on the smart board or the screen or whatever they have. And the teacher can click play and the questions will populate and they’ll try to answer the Bible questions on their laptops, choose their, you know, multiple choice questions. And first, second, third place get rewarded Zcoin. So they’re actually able to earn Zcoin while they’re at school and then go back home, log on their phone, and continue doing this. So that is something that is really different and really special. Because it’s not just saying good job, but it’s saying, hey. You got you earned coin while you were at school. And, you know, I think it’s just something that is going to be, really effective for,
Lisa Fields: institutions. Mhmm. One thing I do think is very important about what you’re communicating is you’re getting the students reading. Yes. And if you I know you’ve probably been tracking this. The literacy rates are at an all time low. So a lot of Just for reading. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. And so there’s a need for kind of a third space. Mhmm. They talk about, like, school, homes, but another space. And for that, I I remember growing up, we’re both church kids. Yeah. So Sunday school That’s right. Was a third space where we learned reading comprehension. We had to think about scripture. And with that being gone from a lot of churches now Interesting. Something like this could act as a third space where it’s like you’re getting them reading. Yes. Yes. Reading like, I tell people all the time, they talk about when they talk about young people, they’re like, biblical literacy is low. But I was like, literacy is as low on so if they’re not reading, they can’t read the bible. That’s right.
Pastor Stan Williams: Oh, I I have man, I don’t know how this came to me, but I was working on this, and I was talking about literacy and biblical literacy with students. And I said this to my students all the time. I said, this generation is susceptible to false doctrine and ideologies because we are excuse me. We’re acceptable more acceptable to false doctrine and ideology because we are susceptible to it. And what I mean by that is we’re accepting to this stuff because we do not know the truth. And so we are more accepted. You know, we accept it more because we’re just susceptible to it. We’re we’re we fall into these different, false doctors. We just don’t know enough of the bible to keep us in the guidelines and keep us, in the narrow path. So you’re so right, and I think that is a really interesting statement you just made about, wow, about bible yeah. About Sunday schools. Many people and if you just keep going backwards, many of people learned how to read by reading the bible. So that is really interesting.
Lisa Fields: So I think one of the, I I, work on on the board of the end campaign, and they have something called Lit City where they’re helping third graders learn how to read as a part of the initiative that they do in Atlanta to get churches, to rally around. One, churches that are divided Yeah. Political ends to come up Oh, yes. That’s rally around a a social cause. That’s excellent. And I was thinking about something like this Yeah. Could be relevant in that space or what what my friend doctor Charlie Dace is doing with Black Boy Lit, helping third graders read. Oh, that’s awesome. A part of that, like you said, people our people learn how to read through reading the bible. Right. Yeah. And so, just the the the having that for students to read the bible and retain and comprehend and and think through Right. Biblical characters and how that applies to that. So I think that could be bible reading I’d love to talk to them. Yeah. That would be great. We’re we’re,
Pastor Stan Williams: you know, what we’ve seen is that the more you get them the student in the space of the bible and just in the world the bible has to offer them as they read, the more that that happens, the more their mind is renewed. And and some people are like, well, there’s this reading of there’s memorization games on here as well. We’ve got all that. But simply reading the bible I’ll tell you. And, you know, the Lord told me seven years ago to start reading the bible live every morning, and I’ve been doing that for seven years. And I at first, I was encouraging the students to that I thought that was it. I said, okay. This is maybe this is what God wants me to do for students, and and this way you can give me a heart to help them. And and this maybe it’s this way. And I was telling them, okay. Come on. I said, don’t follow my personal page. I was like, follow the ministry page. We’ve been doing that. And but it was just I said, let me be your accountability partner. Yeah. Get up in the morning. You gotta I’m we’re going to school. Right? I’m getting up. So you’re up. And it it just didn’t stick because it was kind of pulling them in a this is weird way to say it, but it’s kind of pulling them away. You’re when you’re getting them on these lives, because lives are really huge right now, their attention is on you. It’s not necessarily on the Bible. Mhmm. And you’re reading it and that’s great. And, YouTube, they’re listening to messages and that’s great. I love that. And consuming Christian content, podcasts. I love that. But their eyes need to be put on the word for themselves. And that was the switch. Once we shifted from diverting their attention away from bad stuff, we had to get their attention on the good stuff. Mhmm. And so, this app and this platform really has helped them put their eyes on the truth on a regular basis. Mhmm. And that is what we found has been effective. And, oh my goodness, we had a service. You know, our church has a school on top of it. And so, many of the students come to church, and we had just mentioned what God is doing with this product. And the kids, these are the ones that tested it. They’re the they knew before anyone. And they started saying, hey. They’re like, I’ve got this many chapters right. And they were in service. And so my dad was like, okay. What who’s got the most and they’re and and I mean, in the middle of service, teenagers saying out loud, getting this generation to talk at all is one thing, but in the middle of a 100 or so people talking about, how many bible chapters they’ve read and being proud about it, not being ashamed of it, and sharing it with their friends. They get incentives. If you share the app, you get coined for that. You there’s all different kinds of ways. So it’s just like it’s, it really is something new that we’re seeing, and we have to do more testing just to see what this will really do. It has, it’s only two, three weeks old. So and it’s been tremendous so far. So we’re we’re loving what we’re seeing. Yeah. No. I commend you. How long did it take you to Yeah. So I’m not a coder by trade or developer. I’m a I’m a thinker, and I’m, and I, like, comes up a problem solver. I see a problem, and I talk to enough people and try to solve it. So, it took me four years to get this technology, going and smoothly working and dependably working, make it dependable. So, it took me four years, and I really and that’s not four years of, in and out. That’s four years of trying to make this work every day and working with my students and developing this. So it took a while. But, again, I was kinda in this in the pot. I was every morning reading, talking to them. I’m teaching the bible every day to students, and I’m seeing what isn’t working, what does work. You know, with students, with teenagers, you can gain their trust. It’s gonna take some time to gain their trust, but you can lose it in a moment, and it’s gone. It may be gone forever. So, you know, you have to really keep your word. And I told them I was working on this. I said it’s going to be a while, but we’re gonna do this. We’re gonna get this done. They’re like, okay, miss miss. I mean, kids so some kids have graduated. It’s four years, and they’re asking me this. So you got it. Alright. And they’re in college. They’re like, alright. Well, good. You got it. One of them wants to bring it to their college because they’re like, I helped work on this. You know? So it really is a product done with a bible teacher and his students, and it’s it flourished out of that. So it’s been four years. Yeah.
Lisa Fields: When when one of the things about bible read is translation. Is there a default translation?
Pastor Stan Williams: How is it? There are many translations. There’s over I think I have over 20 translations on here. So, yeah. Get to choose their translation? Yeah. They can choose the translation. You know, it it can choose their translation. I mean, it pretty much works like the YouVersion Bible. So it has bunch of different translations. We’re working on the voices. I’m still getting, my teenagers, like, you gotta get some more voices in here. I was like, okay. That’s fine. But you do know that the voice has to code the entire Bible in order to speak it smoothly. So it’s gonna take some time to say, but we’ll get it done. They want different voices on this so they can personalize that even more too. So more personalization, new updates are coming. But yeah.
Lisa Fields: When, as far as, like, the Bible, what translation do they you see them
Pastor Stan Williams: Oh, KJV, which is so interesting. And I and I don’t even you know? But, you know, they they read the KJV, which is that’s the most popular one so far, but, you know, and I’ve you know, those other ones are a little more easier for them to read. Now I teach out the ESV. And yeah. No. I mean and I’ve told them they’re like, is that okay? Is that as they said, because I want the old language with the new voice on it. I’m like, okay. That’s cool. The old mixing of the old and new is always more effective, I think. But what’s interesting is I tell them all the time. People that give the KJV, they’re like, man, KJ I said, do you know the greatest preachers of all time? All freaks out the KJV. Like, there’s no guessing about it. The greatest creatures of all time, Spurgeon, all of them. He freaks out the KJV. Like, what are we talking about where we’ve gotten too slick and cool for the KJV? So even Gen z, yeah, They are still very much still using the KJV as their place. Nice. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. That is That’s interesting. Is there anything else about the app that you wanna share with our audience that we can Gosh. I think they need to go check it out for themselves. I think they need to download it, share with your, youth group, your tell your bible teacher about it. He will love it. He will love it. I have not had any complaints from parents, teachers, schools that this is radically changing their school. They can, some churches now I see that some churches will add this to their end of the year baptism list, end of the year salvation list. And we’ve done look, we have this many people say this, and our church has read this many Bible chapters because there’s nothing out there tracking it like this. So giving them the visibility to see exactly what we’ve read this many reading plans. We’ve read this many chapters, this many books, that is a stat that can be tagged on to your church or your school or your youth group. I mean, gosh, there was a pastor I talked to who said, you know, this is perfect time because we were starting to, our word of the year was rooted for our youth ministry. And we were starting reading the bible this year. But we didn’t have a way to track when the if the students are. You can literally see the names of your students if you’re a church, if you have a church account, and see each student, see how they’re reading and you can press a button that says, encourage them to say, Hey, you’re doing good today. Go ahead. And, you know, finish it or you missed today. It’s okay. And you can send that to me. It’ll pop up on their screen. So like we have not had that kind of access with Bible reading and encouraging students and young adults to read their bible and really be able to pinpoint what they’re reading and gosh. And then you get these purpose pass that they do. So you can see on the app that this student, they you know, it’s like a personality test. You know? They they scored high on this. You need to encourage them in that area. You know? You can see into the spiritual lives of people now of students now, and that is not something that we had before. So I think this has a lot of breath, and it’s got a long way to go. I think it’s a long way to go.
Lisa Fields: Yeah. Well, thank you, Stan. How can people Yeah. Download the app
Pastor Stan Williams: and for churches and all that? How can they find out what you Really simple. If you go to, bibles, biblez,.app, you’ll see a hero page there, which is the front page of the website, and it has all the buttons. You just click your identity type. You click that one, and you go from there. You can start your demo. You can schedule an onboarding call. And, right now, it will be with me. So you’re and I I think that’s important that you get to talk to the founder. I do have some representatives, but I with this at such an early stage, I want to be talking to these, either the youth pastor or the I’ve talked to some lead pastors. And just being able to literally talk them to answer their questions in person and on the phone and on a Zoom call has been really helpful. So, you can go and you will be able to talk directly to me. Go set up your demo, though. That’s what I would do. Demo it and see how you like it. It’s free for thirty days to demo it. And I haven’t had anybody
Lisa Fields: they’re like, yes. We’re keeping going. What do we need to pay so we can continue to see this insight? It’s it’s remarkable. Really, it’s really interesting. Mhmm. Well, thank you so much, Vance. Thank you for your labor of love to help the next generation. Well, thank you for listening to another episode of the Jude three Project podcast. As always, you could catch all our past episodes on our website at g3project.org, our YouTube channel where you you stream your favorite podcast. We could not do what we do without generous support from people like you, so consider being a one time giver or a monthly partner at g3project.org by hitting that donate tab. Until next time, grace and peace, and god bless.