Lisa Fields: Hello. Welcome to the Jew three Project podcast. I’m your host, Lisa Fields. I’m the founder of the Jew three Project. Well, thank you for watching another episode of the g three Project podcast. As always, I’m your host, Lisa Fields, founder of the g three Project. And today, I’m joined by a very special guest, Elizabeth Woodson. Welcome, Elizabeth. Thanks for having me. Thanks for joining us today. You’re no strangers to the g three project. You were at Courageous Conversations. You were on a panel. You did an excellent job. And so it’s an honor to have you, on the podcast. Tell our audience a little bit about who you are.
Elizabeth Woodson: Yeah. I am an author. I’m a podcaster. I’m a speaker. And so my heartbeat is in helping people understand what it means to walk in the way of Jesus. And so a lot of my work has come out of serving in the local church and discipleship spaces. And so taking that ministry, the things I learned in that space, and then helping churches across the country make disciples for Jesus. Yes. Yes.
Lisa Fields: And I’m excited to have you on. You have several books, but your newest book, Habits of Resistance, tell our audience a little bit about, why you wrote that.
Elizabeth Woodson: Yeah. I think and working in the local church, you know, you’re you hear repeated patterns of how people are doing in their life. Right? And so I started to hear some things pop up. One of them was just loneliness. People seem to struggle in finding friendships or romantic relationships, and it just seemed to be a struggle beyond what was ordinary. Another thing I started to see pop up was a lot of fear and anxiety about what’s happening in the world today. There’s a lot of stuff happening, and people internalizing that. And, again, in ways, it’s like, man, this doesn’t seem to line up with what it means for us to be the people of God. But then it’s also the things in my own life. Right? And so I’m working in ministry, and I’m struggling with, you know, anxiousness. I’m struggling with, difficulty in relationships. I’m struggling with some depression. And it’s like, man, what are the root of these things? What am I consuming in terms of media and information? And is it really forming me in the way of Jesus? I do believe we get abundant life on this side of eternity and in eternity. And maybe the abundant life I was experiencing and other people were experiencing wasn’t as vibrant as I think the scriptures promise it could be. Yeah. Yeah.
Lisa Fields: You mentioned what is forming us. I’m fresh out last week, was a little dual situation for me. I had a speaking engagement that I extended to a vacation, but the the speaking engagement was at Fuller, and it was on spiritual formation for African Americans. And we talked a lot about how we are formed, and what’s forming us. And in our culture today, in our church culture, I think about the fact that so many of us are formed by memes and social media content, and we spend hours and hours consuming that. And then we spend maybe even if you spend an hour in in scripture and by in prayer, you’re still being formed, for hours above what you’re spending with God. So it’s like trying to counteract that messaging is very difficult.
Elizabeth Woodson: Yeah. Because it is. I mean, it’s a lot simpler sometimes that I think we give it credit for. It’s what consumes the most of your time of, affects who you become. Right? It affects who we believe, which affects our behaviors, which in some sense of down the road affects who we become as a person or character. And like you said, a lot of what we are consuming comes from the stuff that we’re scrolling on our news feeds and not necessarily stuff that’s in scripture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So what are the the false narratives you talk about? The false narratives that we believe.
Lisa Fields: Can you share a little bit about that and how, you you talk about that in the book?
Elizabeth Woodson: Yeah. I think when I think about the idea of a false false narrative, because sometimes I use language in the book that I know folks are not walking around in conversation saying. And so when it comes to a false narrative, really, it’s a problem that I have that I try to find a solution that’s outside of Christ or the way of Jesus. And so I’m really what I believe one of the biggest false narratives that drives the rest of them is radical expressive individualism. It is a belief that what I need, the solution to everything is inside of myself. I should be able to trust myself, trust my emotions. And I say emotions are beautiful. Who we are that God has made us is beautiful. We need a standard in which to view them through and understand them. And a lot of times people trust themselves because the authorities around them have proven to be untrustworthy. So I don’t wanna say that as kind of there aren’t real reasons for why this is attractive to people. But when it comes to the false narratives or solutions we try to find for problems and these solutions are outside of Christ, these are all things I’m trying to earn on my own. Mhmm. I’m trying to accomplish in my own power. And so I think about peace. Right? A lot of us have life situations that are really chaotic and we just want the sense of peace. We want everything to be okay. And so what we are fed is that the more information you have, the more control you can have over your situation, the better plan you have. So you’re gonna listen to some podcasts. You’re gonna get you a master class, maybe a little life coach. You’re gonna do your Google search, and, oh, I know how to handle my situation, but what we’re not gonna do is go to the ward. Right? We’re not going to acknowledge that I’m limitless, that maybe the information I’m getting isn’t all true, or I don’t see the full picture. Right? That person who told me, man, I went from my my nine to five became my five to nine became my nine to five, and it looks so simple. But they left out a couple of really important details that don’t give you the full picture. And so I think it is we try to earn or achieve peace on our own outside of the Lord through means of control. I think about another one is that we try to find, our way of dealing with the pain in our lives is through escapism. And so instead of facing what’s happening, because sometimes it’s hard to face the things, I will escape through distraction. So I will scroll mindlessly. I will watch not just, a couple of season episodes of a season. You might watch two or three seasons in one city. And it’s like, man, there’s something in my life I do not wanna pay attention to. But what I’m told is just amuse yourself. Sit here for another dopamine hit. And the way you deal with the hard things is by not dealing with them. And so peace and hope are two of them. There’s a couple other ones of identity and love, but really it is, how can I find something on my own outside of the Lord? Yeah. And I think, you know, when we talk about escapism, when we talk about,
Lisa Fields: peace, a lot of those come from the tensions that we have in community. Mhmm. Right? So we’re trying to escape difficult conversations. We’re trying to escape difficult people. We have 100%. Like, there’s the difficulty that comes in relationships. Yesterday, I did a lecture, at all boys school on what it means to be human. And as I was preparing, I really thought about, like, the triune God, let us make man in our own image. And the re reminder of a part of being human is being communal and interdependent. Mhmm. And we fight against what we’re made for as image bearers when we run from community. Right? And that causes us a lot of pain, and and frustration.
Elizabeth Woodson: Yeah. Very much so. Yeah. It is a because difficult conversations are difficult for a reason, but you’re not going to grow into here’s what I will say. Sometimes when it comes to relationships, people struggle because they don’t have deep relationships. Right? It just feels all shallow. And it’s like a lot of times that depth comes through when you have worked through something with someone, When you know that they’re really committed to you because they stood there for that hard conversation instead of just kinda ghosting you. Like, they just didn’t wanna have the conversation. And it’s like, instead of running from the difficult things, a lot of times, that’s what God uses to get us to experience the beauty and the fruit, but we just don’t wanna do the difficult things because they’re difficult. Yeah. Yeah. And and
Lisa Fields: that’s one of the what you talk about in in in the book, the navigating part of the book is navigating difficulty in relationships.
Elizabeth Woodson: Mhmm. Yeah. It’s what I believe is when the church is who it’s supposed to be, that it’s a really wonderful and beautiful place for us to be known. I do I feel like that is one of our core human desires is I wanna be in a place where I’m safe, where my broken pieces are not going to bother people. You accept me for who I am and also help me be better when it comes to the way of Christ. And I that show up, and I have these spiritual mothers and fathers, aunties, brothers and sisters. But that requires me staying when things get awkward, staying when maybe there’s some friction in the relationship. But it is that God created us to experience so much beauty, joy, and love together. And what the culture gets us to do is to be isolated by ourselves. Yeah. And I going back to social media, I think there’s so much,
Lisa Fields: lingo or therapy talk. Mhmm. And I’m not anti therapy. I’m in therapy. I I have a therapy appointment after this. So I’m I’m pro therapy, but I think that we have become unhealthy as a society when we are diagnosing ourselves, putting ourselves in categories, filtering those things through our eye eye eye that becomes our identity. Our diagnosis becomes our identity, and it becomes the excuse to why we can’t do what God calls us to do. So it’s like, oh, well, you know, I need this. I’m I’m this, so I cannot therefore, I cannot do this. And it’s like, no. You can’t. You can’t do hard things. You can, like, you can be who god has called you to be. You can act out the one another’s. You have chosen not to, and you’ve given language to your disobedience.
Elizabeth Woodson: Right. Right. Is that the the hope of the gospel that what God has for us is that there is a better version of you that’s possible through Jesus. But again, that’s the recognizing the pieces of ourselves that need to grow. And a lot of times community helps us do that. But I love what you just said because we just find these excuses. I am this category that I have found because I saw all of these memes or carousels, and I fit the little checklist that they put, even though I don’t know who made this checklist. But it’s like, oh, this is who I am. And so now everything I do is seen through that. It’s like, well, are you limiting what God can do in your life? Because you’re going to try to stay here because it keeps you comfortable. And I just earnestly believe God has more for us, but it does require that leaning in and growth process. Yeah. And you talk about a growth process,
Lisa Fields: a discipline of fasting Mhmm. That helps us grow. I that is one of the spiritual disciplines I hate. I’ll just be honest. I don’t like it. It it drives me nuts. It’s it’s so funny because it’s like, as soon as you decide to fast like, even if you’re not, like, I’m not a I try to do intermittent fasting anyway. So I’m not a morning, breakfast person. But as soon as I decide to fast, like, for real, not just intermittent fasting because, you know, that’s just, you know, for trying to maintain a certain weight. But when I decide to fast, like, I’m hungry at hours that I’m not usually hungry. You know what I’m saying? Like, it’s like, why why am I hungry right now? Everything comes to if people wanna give you free food, it’s just crazy. But it it does something to, you’re not you’re not because people use spiritual disciplines, like you said, to earn God’s God’s Yeah. To because they think they have to earn it. But it it it does something in you that helps with your your growth process.
Elizabeth Woodson: Yeah. I think fasting, again, it’s not the top of the things on my list of things that come easy. It’s always the one where you I realize how much I am controlled by the food as soon as I stop trying to eat the food. Like, oh, I guess its grip was a little bit heavier than I thought it was. But I think it it does that. And really what the link through all of these, because I could have written about a whole other slew of kind of things that we long for in cultural narratives is that we’re not pausing to consider what is really informing the decisions in my life. And so as you’re stopping to fast to me as a spiritual palate cleanser, like, it reminds me even in that place of physical hunger, that what I long for with the Lord is better and it lasts longer. So a lot of the stuff it fades, right? A lot of the things that we get from, what the culture pushes our way, it doesn’t last as long as what God has or is as strong to steady me. So I think about the seasons of fasting, where I’m fasting to hear from the Lord, to gain wisdom about a situation. And that season, that week or a few days anchors me through a longer season because I’ve met with God in that place. But that’s he’s hard to hear when the noise of life is louder than his voice in my life. Yeah.
Lisa Fields: And he’s also hard to hear when bitterness has taken root in our souls. Mhmm. I am, constantly reminded in this season of life, just turned 39, last last year, 39. And and my friend me and a lot of my friends are in the same stage of life. And whether they’re married, going through I have friends going through divorce. I have friends navigating some very difficult things with parents hell fell their parents hell felling, all of these different kind of things. And what I’m starting to notice constantly is a subtle bitterness Mhmm. That life has not turned out the way they hoped they would if they did the right thing to get married. Now they’re going through their chaotic divorce. If they, you know, waited, they’re not married, you know, or they did something, they can’t have kids. You know, it’s it’s all of these things, and it’s like, I checked off these lists Mhmm. And I, I often talk about, like, the disappointment, the bitterness that comes from that. Like Yeah. A lot of my Yeah. First book was about that, the when, you know, when faith disappoints. And I think that we don’t realize how much, like, that subtle bit bitterness where you’re doing the things, you’re coming to church, you’re you’re you’re active in church. It’s not the people that’s, like, haven’t left, but it’s, like, mentally, you’re gone or you feel like, man, I can’t this is just it’s disappointing and discouraging, and everything is viewed now through a level of cynicism because it’s like, God, I’m I don’t know if you’re gonna come through or I don’t know what coming through look like. Okay. Or one of my good friends, he like, man, I don’t even sing certain songs because I know how God like to do. He he with the dramatics. So I don’t even like that purify me with fire when he was like, when they started singing that in church, I shut up. Or, like, he was like, I don’t even ask God to do nothing great through me anymore because I know the level of craziness I’m a have to go through. So he was like, I don’t even kinda pray those prayers. He was like, I just want, like, whatever is gonna give me the minimum level of discomfort because this has been his some of the things he’s experienced in life has just been really difficult.
Elizabeth Woodson: Mhmm. Yeah. I think about, it’s like when the life you have is not the life you want. Yeah. And, I mean, growing up in the church for me, I don’t know if I was given space to express all those things. Right? Space to express disappointment with God. You’re angry with God. This isn’t what I signed up for. Like you were talking about all the checklists of I served in every ministry. They told me if I prayed and I served every day of the week, I was gonna find a man. And I’m still saying, oh, God, what’s up with that? And it’s to me a place of lament. Mhmm. Like, how can I really cry out to God and be super honest? And again, that wasn’t always something growing up in church that I felt I could do. He knows anyway. So why don’t you just tell him how you really feel? And I believe Lament is this place where the Lord shows up supernaturally. Like, he just does something in and through us when we cry out to him and wrestle with him. The Psalms, 40% of the Psalms are Psalms of Lament. Like, you have the people of God saying this isn’t what we signed up for. Lord, you’re not doing what we thought you would do. We need you to show up. And I think in that place, again, I believe the Lord does something in the honesty, but also that when it comes to living in the midst of the brokenness, to me, sometimes it feels like a fight. And it feels like a fight to focus not just on what hasn’t happened, but what God has done. Right? So when I pray for deliverance, he brought me sustenance. Right? I may not be out of the situation, but he’s still sustaining me. I think about a season, it was I was in a really low season and I was on my bed and I was just crying out to God. I said, basically the summation of the conversation, this is what I signed up for. And I had a friend who lived across the country text me and asked me, hey, do you need prayer? The Lord just brought you to mind. And it was that small thing that was like, oh, God, you actually do care and have the power to do something in my situation. And so let me try to have eyes to see your goodness, even when I feel like there’s no goodness to be found. And so I feel I guess I make sure both being honest about the difficulty, but also fighting to believe that god is, in fact, still good, and his goodness does touch our life even in the season of difficulty. Yeah. Because we live in this constant duality of, like,
Lisa Fields: bitter and sweet. Mhmm. Like, you know, when you think about your life, they could be great things happening, and then there’s a bitter moment attached to it. And you’re like, oh, man. Like, I remember when my book came out, and I was super excited. And, like, two weeks before my book came out, my grandmother passed. Like and living in that duality of that moment, it’s like, I I can’t fully celebrate or be fully present in the moment because I’m grieving a deep loss. Mhmm. And so it’s like the the attachment to that knowing that also gives you anxiety about celebrating. Yes. Like, you’re like, what is even when things get good, you’re like, what is the shoe that’s gonna drop to balance this Yeah. Good out. That’s the best because when you walk with the lawyer, you know that life often is bitter and sweet at the same time. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. The
Elizabeth Woodson: truth that and it’s I think the place of where we have to come to to hold those two together, to find this place of stability of Lord in the midst of the bitter and the sweet, what is still true about you? Mhmm. Because I think it’s like, they just feel unstable. It’s like, what can I put my trust in? Where can I find hope? And then I think about what we do is we go we’re gonna go find a place of hope. Mhmm. It may not be the Lord, but it’s like, what truths about scripture can I live into to help me find stability in that place of bitterness and sweet? Yeah. Yeah. Because the Lord,
Lisa Fields: even with I I think about, like, the ways in which he cares for us and he thinks about the things that we don’t often think about or the desires of our heart Yeah. That we forgot about. Like, I even thought thought about that, this past week. I’m a huge basketball fan. People don’t know. I’m a huge basketball fan. I’m a huge LeBron James fan. I believe LeBron James is the GOAT. And I’ve always wanted to go to the NBA All Star Game. And, you know, NBA All Star Game, NFL I mean, Super Bowl, expensive. So it was not in my budget. But my friend works in corporate America, and he was like, I I happened to be in LA last week for the fuller thing. And he was like, oh, I’m gonna be in LA. I got my company. I’m doing some work out there for our company is sponsoring, NBA All Star Game. He was like, I don’t care about the All Star Game. You want tickets? And literally got me tickets to all the things, even the main All Star Game. And I was like, man, god, you you knew like, I wasn’t even thinking I didn’t even realize that I was going out there all star weekend, but God orchestrated something that had been a deep desire, like, a week and a half before I was supposed to go to LA. And I just elongated my trip. And I was like, man, you plant God. You plant something for me that I couldn’t have planned for myself, and you made it feasible for me, in a way that I couldn’t have done for myself. And it’s just those reminders that he cares about me. Now there’s still other stuff. Yeah. You know, it’s that we’re in the midst of a fundraising campaign that’s stressful. Like so there’s other stuff that’s stressful. But in the midst of that, God Mhmm. Says, like, I see you and I’m gonna give you something Yeah. That you always desire. And it’s it’s like those things that I think are so beautiful about what God does in our lives. Mhmm.
Elizabeth Woodson: Exactly.
Lisa Fields: Yeah. What what other things about the book that you you wanna share with our audience?
Elizabeth Woodson: Yeah. I think, what my hope is is that people have the opportunity to consider, am I bearing the fruit that I should be as a person who follows Jesus? Again, we tech companies spend a lot of money to capture our attention. So we’re not even thinking long enough to say, how is this stuff forming me? What do I reach for in a time of difficulty? You know, if I’m struggling in my relationships, is the reason other people or maybe am I a part of that? Or where am I going to find hope in situations? Or why do I work so hard? Why am I working all these hours? Why am I hustling? Or maybe it’s because I’m trying to find identity and productivity and not who I am in the Lord. And that all of them point to what I call a greater reality, which is this the word I love to use everywhere, which is shalom. I think it’s what the scriptures point to, this idea of wholeness and beauty that we see in the scriptures. We see God create it for us in Genesis. And when we come to Revelation and the skies crack and the Lord returns, and we are in the new Jerusalem and the gates are open because there’s nothing bad, broken, sinful, we need to protect ourselves from. What God created us for, we get to live in again for eternity. And so the reality is what I think we’re all looking for, the good life, happiness really is this idea of Shalom. And the only way we can truly get it is by being connected to the one who created it. And so in the way in which we are constantly tempted to pull ourselves away from the Lord, to try to do it on our own, to try to act like we’re limitless when we’re really limited. I think even this idea of rest, like how is my rest an element of me trying to trust in God, is that my best life comes connected to the Lord. That I believe Christianity is true, but I also believe what it provides for us is a better way of life and not just for me individually, it’s for all of us because ultimately, we can’t have Shalom unless all of us have it. And to me, there’s just a lot of beauty in that that grounds me in a moment where sometimes being a Christian is hard. It’s like, really, what are we working for? What are we looking towards more so? It’s like, man, there’s this there’s this beautiful reality I only get with the Lord. And so let me make sure my life is aligned to him.
Lisa Fields: Yeah. I love that. I love that we can’t have shalom if, everybody is not shalom. I always say success is not success if you succeed alone. And I think sometimes we individually, like, when if I achieve this or if I get peace, it’s like, no. Like, if you care about people, then I think I’ll I was used as an example. Like, my parents is three of us. So it’s like, I’m the oldest. I have two brothers. If if Yeah. If I’m doing well but my brothers aren’t or if my brothers are doing well but I’m not, my parents can’t really experience peace if all their kids aren’t well. They don’t feel like, oh, Lisa’s got doing good, and, Jay and Mike aren’t aren’t doing good, but it’s okay. It’s like, well, if Mike is doing good and Jay and Lisa Lisa aren’t doing good, like, it’s parents want all their kids to be well. And the same way with guys, like, it’s not just okay if Elizabeth is doing well or Lisa’s not or Lisa’s doing well and Elizabeth’s not. It matters. And so I love that you put that together. And I think it’s so important for us to consider, like, the importance of relationships as we think about the age of AI. I keep telling people this. Like, to the the amount of people that are going to AI for relationships is disturbing. Mhmm. Mhmm. Because they have they feel like they cannot do relationships with humans. So if we start thinking about the future and thinking about the age of, like, AI and robots, like, what what seeing far off is now, like, right here, like, you know. And so it’s like, we are designed for relationships with other humans, not technology. Technology can help with information. I love a good claw, Gemini, chat GPT, all the things. I I use it. But I’m not asking it like my like, I’m not trying to have relationships with it, but the next generation is. Right. And so the way we help equip is to help give them relational tools. Like, these these things that you’re talking about in the book, we talk about it all the time at g three. Like, helping the next generation and this generation because some older people are sucked in, like, relationally in the chat. Like, everybody else I I remember my friend was like he works in corporate. And he was like, he was having an argument with one of his friends at his job, and the dude pulled out his phone and asked Chet Chet a question. Like, these are like, he 40. Like, you ask chat. He was like, you know I can see you. Ask like, you you mid conversation, you trying to, like, win an argument, you pull out chat as a third party That’s it. As a third party. Like, what? So it’s like the That’s wild. So it’s not just point is this, not just old younger people, it’s older people. But the ability to just help people to navigate difficulty in relationships Mhmm. Will help actually act as a resistance against AI.
Elizabeth Woodson: Right. Yeah. Because it is it’s there’s no neutrality to the options we choose. Mhmm. Right? So, like, I’m going to find a way to deal with conflict. I’m going to find a way to find relationship. I’m going to find a way to find peace and hope, and that we help teach people new patterns of living. Mhmm. Because I think sometimes it’s what’s easier for people. Man, I’ve just done this. This is easier for me. It’s more of a, knee jerk reaction. It’s like, well, let me show you how to handle this conversation. Let’s log off and let me show you the tools of this is how you form a friendship. Like I remember somebody posted it, somebody sent it to me. And I was like, this is how you make a new friend. Like, it’s like you, you need to do these things, you know, make yourself available. You know, you need to reach out. Like all of these things that seem really simple, but there are patterns and habits of building relationship in ways that are healthy. And so how can we, especially if you’re a ministry leader, incorporate this in what you’re doing to help train every generation on things that we have lost because our patterns have been overtaken by just scrolling and consuming
Lisa Fields: instead of living in existing and embodied relationships. Yeah. And it takes work. I’ll I always joke with my friends, and my friends know this. I’m a caller. So I’m not gonna text you for, like that frustrates me. I can’t have, like I just can’t do it. It’s just the way I built. But I call and they’ll be like, oh, like, oh, I didn’t I’m like, yes. You can’t go deep with somebody if all you’re doing is texting them all the time, and there are certain details they’re missing about your life because you’re not fluent enough in communication. And so it’s like training people to think out, like, the cultural norms of, like, constantly texting people or going to hang out with people and not over indexing on terminology like boundaries where you’re like using language to be a terrible person right
Elizabeth Woodson: right that yeah so
Lisa Fields: yeah
Elizabeth Woodson: I think I think it’s like you’re you’re out with people put your phone up you know, or like don’t even have it on the table. It’s a small thing. Yeah. You need to work on that. Can we be present? Marble at that. Okay. We’re gonna pray for you. Yeah. Pray for me. Or how can I be hospitable? So I think about this as a single person. How can I create my home as a welcoming space? How can I be intentional? Hey, can y’all come over for dinner? Can y’all come over for game night and start building that way and take it out the group thread? I was like, I need to stop just having brunch with people and like have shared memories and building. Like, let me show it for you and support you, all that kind of stuff. But it is, it’s how do we help people learn how to live well? Because what I present in the book aren’t brand new habits. They’re just things the church has done for centuries. And I think they’re old things that we’ve forgotten that maybe we can relearn in a way that’ll bring vibrancy to our lives. Well, thank you. Thank you for writing this book. How can people Yeah. Get a hold of it? Yeah. They can get a hold of it. It is sold anywhere books are sold. So you can go to amazon.com, lifeway.com. You can also hang out with me on Instagram at Elizabeth Woodson where I share more about the book there. Yeah. And you have other books. Tell my audience about your other books. Yeah. So I have another book called Embrace Your Life, How to Find Joy When the Life You Have is Not the Life You Hope For. So if that’s your season, we walk through some really tangible things to help you find vibrancy even in a difficult space. I also have a few bible studies. One is called From Beginning to Forever. So that’s a study on the entire narrative of scripture, Genesis to Revelation in eight weeks. And then I have a study called Live Free, which is a verse by verse study on the book of Galatians.
Lisa Fields: Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Elizabeth. How can people get in contact with you on social?
Elizabeth Woodson: That definitely, you can I’m on Instagram mostly. So that’s at elizabeth woodson, but you can also go to my website, which is the woodsoninstitute.org.
Lisa Fields: Awesome. Well, thank you for watching another episode of the g three project podcast. You can catch all our past episodes on our YouTube channel or wherever you stream your favorite, podcast. My new book, When Heroes Fall, is available for preorder. You can see it right here. You can preorder that now. It’s available on 06/16/2026. All of our resources on our website at jude3project.org. We are still in the ’39 campaign, so you could give, $39, $390, or $3,900 at jude3project.org, hitting that donate tab or give online. All of these, the money we’re raising goes to help us equip the next generation particularly on HBCU campuses. Remember, every gift helps equip. And until next time, grace and peace and God bless.